Thomas Goodwin

April 28, 2008

Possible Thesis Studies (17thC)

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I’m going to post (and possibly add) some areas that, I believe, require further study in the area of seventeenth-century Reformed orthodoxy and Puritanism. Feel free to add to this list. It’s amazing how many people “google” such phrases hoping to get an idea on what to study.

With regards to John Owen:

1) For the ambitious, do his ecclesiology. I would only recommend this to someone who is prepared to spend four years in the UK; there will be a massive amount of historical, political, and theological research. See Paul Lim’s excellent study on Baxter to get an idea for how the thesis would look.

2) I think something still needs to be done on the divine attributes in Owen’s thinking. In my opinion, both MA and Phd students could tackle this area of Owen and focus on either the incommunicable or communicable attributes.

3) The definitive study on Owen’s covenant theology. David Wong did his PhD thesis on Owen’s covenant theology, so you might have a hard time justifying it as a PhD project. But I think a publisher should contact someone about writing a book on this area in Owen. What a treat it would be for the church. It would need to be carefully done because of the massive amount of primary literature as well as the ever-growing list of secondary literature.

4) Owen’s response to the Socinians. You’d need to be up on your Latin, IMO, because many of the Socinian writings were in Latin.

5) Work on his Theologoumena (Biblical Theology). I have a friend who has done some work in his PhD thesis on this area, but surely there would be scope for comparing, say, Cocceius and Owen and their approach to theology (unfolding revelation/biblical theology). Someone may want to explore Owen’s comment that systematization is illegitimate, hence his ordering of Theologoumena.

6) Danny Hyde has informed me he is looking at Owen’s liturgics in his MTh thesis.

Goodwin:

1) His work on Election is something that is practically untouched.

2) His ecclesiology would also be fascinating, more so than Owen’s in some respects. In connection with this, I would suggest tying together his ecclesiology with his eschatology. There’s a definite correlation between the two.

3) Stay away from Christology :)

4) Goodwin’s doctrine of justification would be a fruitful study, especially because he has some rather interesting takes on things (i.e. eternal justification & final judgment).

5) A good MA thesis, for someone with a boring disposition, would be to show how the 19thC editors changed Goodwin’s Works (17thC edition).

6) Goodwin’s response to the Socinians occupies a central concern in his theological project. Again, just as in Owen, more work needs to be done in this area.

7) Goodwin’s covenant theology. I’m hoping to cover this area in some detail, but Goodwin’s doctrine of the covenant of works is fascinating and I’d encourage MA students to look at this area.

Others:

1) Almost anything on Manton. To my knowledge, there is not a single PhD thesis on Manton.

2) William Strong’s work, Discourse of the Two Covenants, is a goldmine that no one has touched. It is a massive work and represents some of the very best Puritan covenant theology.

3) Samuel Petto. I’m hoping Michael Brown will do some work on Petto’s excellent work, The Great Mystery of the Covenant of Grace. But Petto’s pneumatology would also be a good MA topic! Also, he wrote “Revelation Unveiled”. Petto’s eschatology would be a good MA thesis, as well.

4) Spirit-Christology in the seventeenth century. Alan Spence’s work on Owen is a good place to start, but I would like to see who else takes the same view as Owen (Goodwin does, for example).

5) The atonement debate on the necessity of the atonement. Comparing Twisse, Owen, Goodwin, Rutherford and the Socinians would be a fascinating study.

6) I would like to see if someone can find info on the role of the Spirit in the pactum salutis.

7) I’m not aware of any studies on Patrick Gillespie, esp. his covenant theology.

8) The doctrine of the Trinity – 17thC Trinitarianism is vastly under-researched. John Arrowsmith is a key player and his work, Theanthropos, is (unfortunately) not often cited or even looked at.

9) A comparison of the major confessions (Savoy, Westminster, London) and the reasons for the differences.

More to come … (it’s my day off)

31 Comments »

  1. I’m hoping Michael Brown will do some work on Petto’s excellent work, The Great Mystery of the Covenant of Grace.

    Something along those lines is the plan! I hope to set Petto’s position on the Mosaic in its 17th C context and show its implication on his doctrine of justification sola fide. Petto could be an interesting window into high orthodoxy. The tricky part will be finding info on him, as well as what influence he actually had.

    What do you think of a PhD on Owen and the two kingdoms?

    Comment by Mike Brown — April 29, 2008 @ 12:11 am | Reply

  2. Owen and the two kingdoms … wouldn’t that be his eschatology? His parliament sermons would be a fascinating study, but I would rather see someone do Goodwin and the two kingdoms because he wrote quite a bit on the subject. Plus, Goodwin needs more work done than Owen. But Owen is the cool guy to do right now.

    Jason Stellman is speaking at our family camp this year on the “two kingdoms”. Let’s hope he’s more nuanced than Goodwin.

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — April 29, 2008 @ 12:14 am | Reply

  3. Oh, trust me, I don’t think you could get more nuanced on the 2K than Jason!

    Owen would be interesting on the 2K in light of the tension within his covenant theology: Sinai is a republication of the CoW, superimposed upon and subserviant to the CoG, and organically independent and altogther distinct from the new covenant, yet in his Parliamentary sermons, England is in some sort of national, theocratic covenant with a transformational commission. For the life of me, I can’t see how he reconciles these. IMO (which isn’t worth a pint of Guinness), it seems that when he was preaching in front of Parliament, his eschatology was so politically driven that it would get disconnected from his federal theology at times.

    A 2K study of Owen would, I think, involve his eschatology and ecclesiology, with a heavy investigation of his view of Christ’s kingship.

    There is an interesting comment from Owen on the two kingdoms in vol XXII (Hebrews vol.6), somewhere after page 90, in those 17 reasons he gives why the old covenant is a distinct covenant from the new covenant. One of his reasons is that of the kingdoms (which is right in line with his take on the Mosaic).

    With you, I wonder if there was more than a hermeneutical reason for Owen (and other Independents like Petto) for taking such a nuanced view of the Mosiac. Was there a socio-politcal reason, especially give the fact that after the Restoration things were not so good for them???

    Comment by Mike Brown — April 29, 2008 @ 3:41 am | Reply

  4. Mike,

    You should publish that comment! Esp. “Sinai is a republication of the CoW, superimposed upon and subservient to the CoG, and organically independent and altogether distinct from the new covenant, yet in his Parliamentary sermons, England is in some sort of national, theocratic covenant with a transformational commission.”

    That’s the best sentence I’ve ever read on Owen.

    The socio-political reasons definitely played a significant role in Puritan eschatology and, for that reason, must have infiltrated other areas of their theology. The problem is that many modern historians have basically over-emphasized the role of politics to the exclusion of exegesis. There has to be a balance, somewhere.

    I guess you’ll be dealing with this.

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — April 29, 2008 @ 3:51 am | Reply

  5. Thanks. I am actually working on an article with regard to Owen’s republication of Sinai. But as far as reconciling that to his eschatology, that seems like a huge task. It might make a good PhD dissertation, especially since the whole 2K discussion is so important for the church today.

    Comment by Mike Brown — April 29, 2008 @ 4:14 am | Reply

  6. Mark,

    What about a thesis on Owen’s liturgical theology? I have an article coming out in the 2008 volume of The Confessional Presbyterian on his A Discourse Concerning Liturgies, which I hope is the groundwork for my ThM thesis on Owen’s liturgics.

    Comment by Danny Hyde — April 29, 2008 @ 1:29 pm | Reply

  7. Thanks. I’ll add it to the list. But I guess that means you’ll be covering that area. I’ll be keen to look at the thesis when it’s done …

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — April 29, 2008 @ 2:20 pm | Reply

  8. Yep, that’s the plan, Mark. Both Joel Beeke, my advisor, and Carl Trueman, whom I met and studied under this past week at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary, both know of nothing on the subject. I think I can do some pioneering work on the subject, then.

    Comment by Danny Hyde — April 29, 2008 @ 2:44 pm | Reply

  9. Moderns would immediately think “Congregationalist liturgy? Isn’t that an oxymoron?” So, I’m not surprised there’s nothing on Owen’s liturgy. I hope you’ll bring Goodwin and the other Independents into the picture.

    I have to say, I’m quite jealous that you got to listen to Carl Trueman lecture. I’d like to hear him on something other than John Owen, however. I can almost finish off his sentences when he speaks on John Owen … but his stuff on Luther would be great to listen to.

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — April 29, 2008 @ 2:50 pm | Reply

  10. Hi Mark,

    The lectures I just heard him give were on The Forerunners of the Reformation, as he surveyed the doctrines of God, justification, the eucharist, and the church. I plan to do a paper on Calvin’s liturgy, testing whether or not it was “According to the Use of the Ancient Church” as the title of it claimed.

    Comment by Danny Hyde — April 29, 2008 @ 3:03 pm | Reply

  11. Oh, I should have said about your comment that every church has a liturgy. My thesis is not to find out the exact order of service Owen followed, but what were the principles behind his thoughts on liturgy, hence, what was this liturgical theology. As I argue in the forthcoming piece in The Confessional Presbyterian, his doctrine of Christian freedom (which also had political connotations) was central to his Discourse Concerning Liturgies.

    Comment by Danny Hyde — April 29, 2008 @ 3:07 pm | Reply

  12. I’ll take Manton if I get to go on to further study here at WSC (MAHT) or elsewhere. HRJ has mentioned him in class a few times favorably.

    Comment by chaos — April 29, 2008 @ 7:27 pm | Reply

  13. When is somebody going to do the definitive work on 17th century influences on the preaching of Joel Osteen?!

    Comment by GLW Johnson — April 30, 2008 @ 1:55 pm | Reply

  14. Done. That was Michael Horton’s PhD thesis at Coventry and Wycliffe Hall … at least, that’s how I read him.

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — April 30, 2008 @ 3:03 pm | Reply

  15. When is somebody going to do the definitive work on 17th century influences on the preaching of Joel Osteen?!

    What do you mean? Plenty of things have been done on Socinianism. :)

    Comment by Mike Brown — April 30, 2008 @ 4:29 pm | Reply

  16. The Socinians at least tried to use the Bible to defend their heresies … ;)

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — April 30, 2008 @ 4:50 pm | Reply

  17. Ha! Good point!

    Comment by Mike Brown — May 1, 2008 @ 4:49 am | Reply

  18. Mark,

    How about the Baptists? And just ask Richard Muller… he said Gill made a contribution with the Spirit’s involvment in the pactum salutis. :) Now that I’m studying Gill we’ll have to see… although I’m not studying that but his defense of Trinitarianism in general. :)

    Allen

    Comment by Allen Mickle — May 3, 2008 @ 6:51 pm | Reply

  19. Good point, Allen. Maybe someone can write a thesis on how Samuel Petto whooped the Baptists in his polemics on infant baptism? :)

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — May 3, 2008 @ 7:24 pm | Reply

  20. You wish! I’ll keep Thomas Patient’s defense at this point! He convinced a whole church in Dublin to the Baptist position!

    Comment by allenmickle — May 4, 2008 @ 10:43 pm | Reply

  21. And the Apostle Paul convinced 90% of Christendom to baptize babies ;)

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — May 5, 2008 @ 12:14 am | Reply

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  23. Mark, you’re just no fun. Remember what others have called you… *cough* closet Baptist *cough*! I love Paul and I think he taught adult baptism. :)

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  24. I know, I know. I couldn’t resist the temptation. No more jokes from me … I promise. Plus, now that Dr H is peeking in on me, I need to be on my best behaviour.

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  27. There is a PhD thesis for Whitefield Seminary being done on Owen’s Theologoumena compared with Vos’ Biblical Theology. I’m not the writer just a helping editor.

    Comment by Ron Miller — May 6, 2008 @ 4:30 am | Reply

  28. Oh, thanks. I have a friend who is almost finished his PhD thesis on Owen’s Theologoumena. You don’t happen to know whether the Whitefield thesis used the Latin work or the Westcott translation, do you?

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — May 6, 2008 @ 4:49 am | Reply

  29. Didn’t you say a while back that you were trying to do less HT and more Exegetical and Biblical theology?? ;-) ;-)

    Comment by Cesc RanOuttaGass — May 6, 2008 @ 8:09 am | Reply

  30. Yes. That’s why I am suggesting HT to others ;)

    Comment by thomasgoodwin — May 6, 2008 @ 1:27 pm | Reply

  31. Hey Mark.

    Great ideas. I would note that there is a massive book on the Socinians coming out through OUP in the next year or so. A large portion is taking Owen’s polemic into consideration. I have heard some papers from the book and they were quite good (though, there is always more work to be done!). The author is doing her post-doc here at Cambridge and my supervisor is her editor.
    Agree on Wm Strong. Amazing work. Used it a good bit in my work on the Congregationalists in the 1650s. A very overlooked work and author.
    As for Ecclesiology of Goodwin and friends, well, let me get back to you in about 2 years :)

    Comment by Hunter Powell — March 1, 2009 @ 9:25 pm | Reply


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